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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 14, 2010 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: back to the future

are there any shows from 1985 that any of you feel worthy of a mention??? maybe from june or something? maybe...?

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

IMHO, I feel '86 was much worse

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 14, 2010 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I do like this "fun" first set Rich, though I would hardly call this a good show!

Jer starts to sound like shit after a few numbers and by the second set it gets unistenable...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-04-08.sbd.wiley.8755.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Cliff, you are correct on this Philly show. I listened to it awhile back based on the set list and it's much better on paper. Not a fan of 1985 overall but the Pat Kelley summer show, alpine valley show and the Springfield gig during the spring tour with that great Sugaree come to mind. While i don't think it's one of the great new year's shows the 12-31-85 also has moments. maybe because it was broadcast on USA but still fun none the less.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

It’s funny- I loved the hell out 1985 back when I was going to shows, but after years of mainly listening to the late 60s and 70s it's really hard to go back and listen to '85 now without cringing a bit. Richmond 11/1 and 11/2 (the first of which was DP 21 I believe) are probably my two favorite shows from this year, but that's not saying much for this sad lot. The best thing I can say about 1985 is that it isn’t appreciably worse than 1984 or 1986 IMO.

I don't actually hate the 80s. I actually think there are some good shows to be found in the 80s- nothing that comes close to the best shows of ’67-77, perhaps, but enjoyable nevertheless and certainly better than the sorry-ass 90s. I actually have a theory that the band’s best playing of the 80s can be found at the very beginning and end of the decade, with things getting notably worse as you work your way in toward the middle. For example, 1980-81 and 1988-89 have a handful of good moments. But ’82-83 show a marked deterioration, while ’87 is almost completely lacking in jams. 1984-1986? Brutal.


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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-03-25.sbd.fix-shinid-15403.tetzeli.84410.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-10-31.sbd.zei.2028.shnf

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-03-28.nak300.bmandel.78436.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 15, 2010 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: she belongs

There's one thing that makes 1985 stand out....it's the only year Garcia did She Belongs To Me.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-15.set2.sbd.gans-samaritano.28449.sbeok.flacf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-11-08.sbd.clugston.5301.sbeok.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-09-15.sbd.set2.walker.378.sbeok.shnf

It also has one of my favorite Garcia moments - the little riff after China Doll on 6-14-85 (starts on track 15 here) - only lasts about a minute, but it's so sweet.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

(An earlier version of that riff comes after this China Doll, and they turn it into Playin' in the Band in a neat transition -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-04-28.sbd.new.miller.28439.sbeok.flacf )

China Doll fans should also take note of this version, from one of the best second sets of the year:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-11-02.sbd.jim.14604.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 16, 2010 1:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: she belongs

Here is my favorite GD version of "She Belongs To Me" from 1994.... (seriously!)
From the "Backstage Pass" video.... acoustic! I never dreamed I would think that any 1994 performance was a "best ever" version, but this one comes close...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8obCnsw4c

Bob Dylan's original...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH46sruy-XE&;feature=related

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Mar 14, 2010 11:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-30.mtx.seamons.94642.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: amosearle Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

My personal favorite as much for the venue as for the show:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-10-29.sbd.hinko.21533.sbeok.shnf

I had almost as good a time getting tickets for this one as I did going to the show. There were lots of people hanging out and camping in front of the Fox theater. The fancy hotel across the street was not open for business at the time, though it is an upscale destination now. Lots of folks hanging out around the entrance to that place sharing a good vibe. I think I'm too old to sit on marble for that long without something cramping up now...

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Frosts' were some of my favorites from 85
4-27-85 the jam in dancin is loveley
4-28-85 beautiful second set
the Berkeley shows were way overrated

6-24-85
6-28-85.... If u listen to the supersticous/bottom and don't feel the magic you might want to vomit or comit suicide, or become republican. and if u were there
and didn't like it, it sounds like personal problems. get some sunshine, breathe, go play with a puppy, and turn that frown upside down.
85 was billed as the aniversary year, the sound evolved yet again. Brent played a plucking style, phil started singing again, Jerry seemed to have newfound inspiration in his solos and was playin extremely fast see eyes 6-27-85. The lighting crew were releasing some if the finest sbd's
which seemed to hit the scene like gangbusters.

Used to listen to 85 quite a bit and try to revisit all the years in my rotation.

Peace

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Mar 15, 2010 4:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future 1985

It's interesting to see the opinions of '85 on here. 1985 is one of my favorite years for the Dead. Sure, Garcia's voice struggled but that is the only hiccup for the entire year. '85 is the last full year for amazing guitar work from Jerry as he never quite had the same speed and dexterity after '86. Phil's bass sounded better then it had since '79, and the sound from Healy is the best of the 80's (Spring '86 might be a little better strictly for the mix quality but in '85 besides the SBDs, listen to the Oade recordings.) In addition, the rotation, placement and song selection is also the most unique of the period; too many cool placements and songs to list. I remember researching and finding out they played the highest number of different songs in '85 then any other year.

To me, Spring and Summer tours featured the band at their best and a top 5 (based on sound quality and playing quality) just off the top of my head for me might be


3/31/85 (Candyman and Daytripper standouts)
4/4/85 (my favorite 1st set of the year)
4/27,28/85
6/14/85 (Dew 2nd set opener - this whole Greek run is a good listen)
6/27/85 (dont' skip the Bertha - it's still great in spite of missed verse. Incredible Garcia solos)
6/30/85 (I normally wouldn't include this one, but it gets a mention for the Shakedown. Best one since 4/82.)
9/15/85
11/5/85

Also Kaiser shows are under appreciated...ok I'll stop now.


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Poster: AshesRising Date: Mar 15, 2010 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future 1985

The Bopper: March 31, 1985 "Day Tripper:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB2fgW30im4

Great post,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: ducats Date: Mar 15, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-04-08.sbd.gills.20010.sbeok.shnf


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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 14, 2010 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Dire & Rich,

there is 1 1985 show that stands out from the crowd. (ok Dire, the first song is not very good, so skip to Bertha and the rest of the show is good to go):


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-27.mtx.seamons.92645.sbeok.flac16

p.s. This is the matrix source, for Cliff of course.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 14, 2010 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

ok MAYBE I will give this one a shot. The Crazy Fingers>Supplication, and the Stranger>Eyes does have me a bit curious.

thanks :)

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Poster: Ernie Bo-Peep Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

When it comes to 85, I offer you this advice...

Once you get past the bloated sound, the vocal miscues and mumbles, 1985 is pretty darn good.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.105992.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-22.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.105993.flac16

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Poster: spacedface Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Hey a new version. I have attendance bias for 11-22, setlist, and the 5 or so giant berimbau played during Drums.

Also, the second set here is pleasant enough if mellow, with nice versions of China Doll-> Brent Jam & Comes A Time:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Billydillions, were you at that Saratoga show?

I'm curious, what is it about that performance that makes it "stand out from the crowd?"

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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Cliff,

I did not attend 6-27-85, but did see the show at the SPAC in 1988. I also do not like 1985, save for a few shows. I do think 6-27-85 is a different kind of show. For one thing, songs that are usually throw away songs are played very well, such as Rooster (great slide solo from Jerry), El Paso (great soloing from Jerry), Bucket- one of the better versions and even Dont Ease is played very well, perhaps my personal favorite version of a usually worthless song.

What elevates this show for me is my favorite version of Stagger Lee (love how the song starts with Phil ranting and love how Jerry screams out the lyrics at the end). This is perhaps my favorite version of Crazy Fingers followed by the great Supplication jam. But the shows biggest highlight is how the boys meld together Stranger in to Eyes in to GDTRFB. The segs are perfect, almost like they have played those songs together forever, yet I cant think of any other time any of the songs were played together. Jerry's soloing and improv shows no effects from his bad habits and his singing is not too bad. The show really sound nothing like 1985, so perhaps that I why I like it so much.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

well, i have yet to listen to that after commenting last night. but now you have me REALLY interested. (though i am cringing at the thought of how bad jerry's voice is gonna sound)

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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Just dont listen to High Time (but other than the early versions did Jerry ever sound good on this one?)

This show is so much better than the Hershey show. Jerry sounded so much better here.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

i actually do like a little gravel in his voice in that tune - though in 85 the gravel was more like gargled pumice

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

i was there...and so far back on the hill, not even a glimpse of the stage....not one.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I was there as well, though towards the back of the orchestra. The SPAC was a charming and fun place to see a show, but that does not make the music performed there any better...

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

'85 was a rockin' year for the GD. I saw a lot of shows including Hershey Park, which stands out for a # of reasons:
1. Back to back with SPAC.
2. Driving Rain and Cold.(Lightweights stayed away)
3. Great Venue/Small Crowd
4. Mud
5. 'shrooms.
6. Great tavern right across from P lot.
7. The band was on from the first to last note.

Sorry no link...the Archive(browse by year) is running very slowly

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

"I saw a lot of shows"

I guess that makes them better?

Interesting that those who attended are the folks most vociferously defending the year.

I attended those shows as well, however my recollection of them is very differnt from yours...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Other than the Richmond show I was at, I must say that the year was, on the whole, less than remarkable (I did really enjoy SPAC, but musically Richmond was much better...IMHO). And just my luck that the majority of my touring was during this time. Some occasional bright spots, but nothing really consistent until well after the coma. Come to think of it, it is possible that Jerr's coma started way before most people think.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

"Come to think of it, it is possible that Jerr's coma started way before most people think." .....interesting concept!! maybe he has yet to come out of the coma!!!! hmmmm!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

his coma began when he decided to hire Donna. The full effects of said coma just happened to be a wee bit latent.

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

First person accounts always take precedence...right

Oh the Humanity...

Thats one small step for....

The Giants win the Pennant....

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Cliff, you must enjoy pain if you went to all them crappy 80's shows! ;)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

of course, I'm the MORON who walked out of this shows first acoustic set because I was a Truckin-head and thought "wtf-country?" http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-05.sbd.bunjes-evans.28653.flac16

Then I didn't get on the bus till 10/10/76

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Huh?

I would have been six years old but I still would have enjoyed that acoustic set Earl!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 17, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

yeah, I know! I was also sittin on one of those big couches that was in the Fillmore, with a lady that was dressed for action...we left and headed to the hotel.

Actually, I'm not sure if it was friday or sat night, but they started with something that twanged me as sounding country. At the time, the GD only=Truckin to me. I was clueless.

MY BAD!

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I'm not much of an 85 fan but I do like and enjoy both the SPAC and Hershey Park shows. Granted Jerry's voice is at it's worst possibly at Hershey but the guitar work is exceptional and for me is more important to the overall thrill of it all.

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

There as well. Had all of my painstakingly hand painted t-shirts confiscated due to dancing bear infringement, but that turned out to be a turning point for me. After Hershey Pary my good touring buddies set up their tie dye operation in the hotel in Columbia and taught me their considerable expertise. They fronted me 50 shirts and materials, and when they had put their work and themselves to bed I produced my first batch. Sold them all by the end of the second Merriweather show. The start of a long and colorful career . . . much easier than that hand painting business.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Harry?

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I would also pass on the Bertha as the last verse is skipped by the band.

There is absolutely no reason to waste any time on 1985. The entire year is a mess. Either Garcia's vocals are shot or the playing is off synch and sloppy.